My interesting discussion with MMG staff

author=Yoda MMG promoter
I know I wouldn't even think of joining any program that all the pages have stuff like "Paid again, batch...", "Paid again, good work admin", "Paid fast as usual", etc..etc

Where's the real discussion about these programs? How can people make good decisions about a program when monitors are shoving programs down people's throats. Nothing but junk post about people getting paid what is usually less then $1. Gimmie a break.

I cannot wait until the new skin and all is up and we make some changes. I would rather it be like it use to be where people discussed programs, did due diligence, posted opinions etc..etc. Then this crap.

If someone wants to play a HYIP or Autosurf, that's fine. I say boycott the monitors.

Yoda

My reply:
Do you really think that it is my fault or mmg fault that there are so many scams around?
It would be pleasure to monitoring only honest and reliable programs.
MMG does not ban scammers, and 90% posters are cheerleaders.
In other worlds should we boycot such forums like TG and MMG?
I dont think so, we should boycot only dishonest forums and monitors, and support there honest.

author=Yoda MMG promoter
Ivaho, you've been around a while, do you remember what it was like in the good days when a program was posted? People waited around until some DD was done. Back in them days, we would of laughed at program monitors coming in with 3 pages of "Got paid, thanks admin" to start a thread. No one would of touched and no real money would of been invested.

Nowadays, only the program admin, and monitors make money from programs. Rarely does a regular members make any money. That is why the hyip industry is so bad these days. I remember not wanting to touch a program unless I could make 4 digits. Now people fight over less then a $1.

Sadly, fresh meat will always find this industry and it's a dirty cycle. So as long as the programs are around, people will participate in them.

On another note, what is an honest monitor? A monitor is paid to participate with a listing fee which a part of it is invested in the program. So it's the regular members money. Then the monitor withdraws until the program dies and the process is repeated. What's so honest about that? Forums were all I ever needed to judge if a program was worth joining. Whoever created this "middleman" industry of Monitors, didn't do the industry any favors. All Monitors do is add dead weight to a program.

Only way I would trust a monitor is if the admin of the monitor invested his own money. And only had programs on his site that listed the "good" programs that passed some sort of Due Diligence requirements. Anyone who is paid to participate isn't honest and just hurts the regular members.

Just my opinion. I've been around these things since 2004.

Yoda

My reply:

Yeah, I good remember the hyip market 2-3 years ago and there is nothing against to create a DD team on MMG or TG forum, to ban all scammers IP and to eliminate empty bump posts now.
In my opinion planned changes on your forum are affected by low-income reason. In best time for hyip market, MMG staff was not interested to make any changes. You have endorsed (and still endorse) a few services for money, monitor and not monitor cheerleaders increased your traffic, hyip owners purchased ads for thousand of dollars.
So, there was nothing to change. Now in hyip arena crisis we hear about some changes. Ok, very good but stop looking for a scapegoat of current situation or start call strike on MMG too!

Forums, monitors, hyip designers and php programers, hosting services and promoters realize money flow in this business. But you see only monitors as responsible for current situation. As I remember some of MMG moderators are monitor owners too. I agree that monitors are responsible too for this situation. Most of them, do not care about investors, they care about hyip owners and their business. But not ALL and not ONLY.
I am fighting for these changes for months even not years. But people prefer 'bump' threads even valuable discussion. The best example is a hyipdiscussion forum, they tried to not welcome the programs with impossible ROI and, they make own DD and they have maybe one ad banner slot. Now their forum is almost not visited. Why? Because hyip industry was killed by not holding the wave of frauds and thieves on most popular monitors and forums. I have many ideas how to limit the influence of scammers but I am sure that maybe a few forum or monitor owners would be interested to do it.
People who pull the strings are very greed and are very interested to squeeze money out
as much as possible.

So where is it from money for banner ads on MMG forum? From investors money. Follow your reflection: is it MMG a dishonest at all?
I will tell you what it means that monitor is honest. It is such monitor which eliminate fake voters, compare own payouts with investor payouts, do not accept the programs with "special monitor plans" like 0.02% daily, do not accept such programs that offer 350% after 1 day, do not own any hyip program, take care of investors, upgrade own service with valuable content.

You can`t trust only monitors, and you can`t trust of forum opinions only. There are many ways to minimize your losses, monitors and forums are both good ways to research and learn what`s going on at all times. Without them people will lose more and more often.

Monitor is like a tool, monitor gives an useful informations, like current status, details, interview, and many statistics. And yes, we take the money for it, why should we work for free? It is our daily job - monitoring...
Sometimes I am adding the programs that looks reliable where I invest money from my pocket.

As I wrote in the past, it would be my pleasure to monitor only honest programs, but I have not influence for it.
Regarding other services, it`s really hard to find good and honest monitor service, there are hundreds, but only a few should be taken into consideration because only a few are managed by professionals.
Most of the monitors are inactive and they are online for short term period. Most of them are using some tricks (adding to autosurf, sending spam) to get better results in traffic ranks. They do not care about frequent listing updates, they do not care to keep monitor status relevant to program payouts.
I am not surprised that admins of programs based on real investments are not interested with monitoring services, because too many scams and ponzies are using them, but in this way, I cant expose best and real investment programs on hyip market.

I have separated in my service the programs that offer impossible ROI but this is not enough.
My suggestion is to promote only honest and and reliable services (hyip programs, forums and hyip monitors).

author=Yoda MMG promoter

You cannot compare a monitor to a MMG. MMG doesn't endorse any HYIP's or Autosurfs etc..etc. MMG sales advertisement. 2 totally different things and I really wish MMG could do some of the things that would make it easier for people to make investing choices. But MMG cannot because people will sue, call MMG a scam etc..etc. So we just provide a place for discussion.

Anyway, you run a monitor and i'm sure you do so in an honest manner, that doesn't mean all monitors are honest. Plus you discuss programs not just post "got paid again etc". So I really wasn't talking about your monitor. I mean monitors in general.

Programs do not have to pay MMG for advertising or pay a listing fee on a monitor. I have seen plenty of programs that just performed as advertised and got huge.

Yoda

Edited: because i am watching the Masters and left some words out...

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